{"id":1269,"date":"2018-10-01T23:11:11","date_gmt":"2018-10-02T07:11:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gothic-charm-school.com\/charm\/?p=1269"},"modified":"2018-10-01T23:11:11","modified_gmt":"2018-10-02T07:11:11","slug":"you-dont-have-to-be-neurotypical","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gothic-charm-school.com\/charm\/?p=1269","title":{"rendered":"You Don&#8217;t Have to Be Neurotypical"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As the Lady of the Manners has mentioned before, she is frequently humbled by some of the heartfelt, heartsore letters that Snarklings have written to Gothic Charm School. And the Lady of the Manners often worries that she isn&#8217;t really able to help; she&#8217;s a well-meaning Internet Auntie, not a professional. But even with those concerns, she <b>IS<\/b> determined to help as much as she&#8217;s able, because that&#8217;s what everyone should do. Sometimes the help is focused on music, clothing, and books, and sometimes it&#8217;s focused on reassuring people that they are a goth. And sometimes, it&#8217;s a little bit of both.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nDear Lady of the Manners,<\/p>\n<p>    I&#8217;m twenty-seven (turning twenty-eight in October) with Autism and have wanted to become Goth ever since 2009 but so many things have stopped me.  Back then I didn&#8217;t know about the Internet due to being in a Christian school since third grade so I didn&#8217;t know I could search things until 2010.  Back in 2011 I made a friend who was Goth and asked for her advice but she told me that because of my Autism, I was to naive and childish to be one.  Later on I learned about different Gothic subcultures and got interested in Baby Doll and Victorian Goth.  When I told her about the ones I was interested in, she told me I was to tall and chubby.  Since 2014, I decided that I would become Gothic but I don&#8217;t have a job and my little sister and mom care for me.  I&#8217;ve been trying to get a job since 2009 so I could help but the only job available in town has been ignoring my application. My sister buys things for me but I never let her know about the expensive things I want.  Please forgive me for the long introduction, my question is do I have to be skinny and shorter to be a Baby Doll Goth or Victorian? Also do you know any cheap online stores that sell those types of Goth clothes?  My mom says that Autism doesn&#8217;t affect who I want to be but does it?<\/p>\n<p>Have a blessed day,<br \/>\nL.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Right off the bat (that has possibly left the bell tower, but possibly hasn&#8217;t), your mom is correct: autism absolutely does not affect who you want to be. Whether someone is neurotypical or atypical has <b>no<\/b> bearing on if they &#8220;can&#8221; be goth. Do you have an appreciation for the wide range of fascinations and beauty that can be found in shadowy subjects? Congratulations, you are a goth. As always, the Lady of the Manners suggests doing some exploring and research to learn more about the subculture &#8211; the music, the aesthetic, the history &#8211; but don&#8217;t feel that you aren&#8217;t a goth unless you&#8217;re able to pass some sort of test. For one thing, there isn&#8217;t a goth test (or goth points, or an Eldergoth Cabal), and for another, your autism wouldn&#8217;t have any impact on those (ridiculous) things if they <b>did<\/b> exist.<\/p>\n<p>As to your &#8220;friend&#8221; (those are quotes of <b>intense<\/b> disbelief and scorn, in case it wasn&#8217;t clear) who said you were too naive, childish, tall, and chubby to be a goth, the Lady of the Manners has some choice words: They. Were. Wrong. Deeply wrong. There are no physical requirements to be a goth; height, weight, and skin color are all irrelevant. So are age, gender, sexuality, beliefs, or temperament. Goth is a collection of interests, not checkmarks. Your &#8220;friend&#8221; saying these things to you when you expressed your interests shows them to be misguided at best, and a bullying gatekeeper at worst. Gatekeepers in our community are terribly easy to spot, as they&#8217;re the ones who try to enforce rules about who can and can&#8217;t be goth. Have an understanding about the &#8220;outline&#8221; of the subculture and how dark, fantastical ideas stretched shadowy fingers to shape a type of music and fashion, but if someone tries to tell you there are Rules of Goth, ask them who defined those rules and how do they suggest you learn what those rules are. Or laugh at them. Or both.<\/p>\n<p>(That&#8217;s the thing that annoys the Lady of the Manners the most about gatekeepers: they&#8217;re very quick to proclaim that someone isn&#8217;t a Real Goth<sup><small>\u00e2\u201e\u00a2<\/small><\/sup>, but never offer any insight or information. The Lady of the Manners isn&#8217;t saying they need to make a presentation or teach a class, but if someone is so caught up in dictating what is and isn&#8217;t goth, they should at least be able to provide an example or two of what they <b>do<\/b> think is goth.)<\/p>\n<p>Finally, the Lady of the Manners has a few suggestions for finding the goth styles you are interested in:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>If you are looking for Victorian-flavored clothes, also look for steampunk. There&#8217;s a fair amount of crossover between the style families, and things may not always be labeled as goth.<\/li>\n<li>If you search &#8220;Baby Doll&#8221;, you will probably run into sites and clothing that is aimed at fetishests. Which is fine! But if you&#8217;re looking for clothing that is more along the lines of <i>&#8220;fancy doll in a modest frilly dress&#8221;<\/i> instead of <i>&#8220;short ruffled dresses that are infantilizing and probably show off your underwear&#8221;<\/i>, then the terms &#8220;gothic lolita&#8221; or &#8220;elegant gothic lolita&#8221; will probably be more helpful.  (The gothic lolita style has nothing to do with the book <u>Lolita<\/u>.) The site <a href=\"https:\/\/lolibrary.org\/\">Lolibrary.org<\/a> is a good source to see examples of the various styles that make up those terms.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As to some cheap online stores that sell those types of goth fashion: <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/chicstar.com\/\">Chic Star<\/a> has a good selection of blouses, skirts, jackets, and dresses that can be adapted to the Baby Doll or Victorian style.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"www.amazon.com\">Amazon<\/a>. Yes, really! There is a dizzying array of goth fashion on Amazon; the Lady of the Manners searched using the keywords &#8220;gothic Victorian&#8221; in the women&#8217;s fashion category, and made herself stop browsing after three hours, even though she was nowhere near the end of the results. Most of the clothes toward the inexpensive end of prices will almost certainly be made in China, and may run as much as two sizes smaller than you&#8217;d expect, so keep that in mind if you order anything. But the Lady of the Manners will also say that she&#8217;s purchased some very nice Victorian-style blouses, skirts, and full-skirted jackets from Amazon for not a lot of money, so it&#8217;s worth a shot! Just be sure to read the reviews of the item, and pay close attention to any that mention the size range. <\/li>\n<li>Mainstream mall or &#8220;big-box&#8221; stores, such as Target, Forever 21, Torrid, and so on. Mainstream trends always borrow from goth fashion in one way or another, and you can frequently find Victorian or doll-like clothes, especially during autumn and winter. Also, those sorts of stores always have sales or special promotions, and offer discounts if you (or your mom or sister) sign up for their mailing lists. <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The Lady of the Manners is very, <b>very<\/b> glad you decided to write to Gothic Charm School, and hopes that you are able to explore goth to your spooky heart&#8217;s content. <\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Do any of you have words of encouragement for L? Suggestions for fashion sources or how to deal with gatekeepers? Please comment!<\/p>\n<p>(Comments are, as always, moderated. But the Lady of the Manners loves reading the comments, so please do!)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As the Lady of the Manners has mentioned before, she is frequently humbled by some of the heartfelt, heartsore letters that Snarklings have written to Gothic Charm School. And the Lady of the Manners often worries that she isn&#8217;t really able to help; she&#8217;s a well-meaning Internet Auntie, not a professional. But even with those concerns, she <b>IS<\/b> determined to help as much as she&#8217;s able, because that&#8217;s what everyone should do. Sometimes the help is focused on music, clothing, and books, and sometimes it&#8217;s focused on reassuring people that they are a goth. 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